I don’t care about that guy, but your post make me want to cry…
Come to nunna, i’ll give you a big hug…

i never liked him as a singer..

I know he looks like he is cruising for a crash into weirdness or “Rain’s World” if he builds an amusement park I will burn all my memorophilia. (’cuse me if I spelled it incorrectly)

Who cares?

Rain’s songs do pretty much suck without JYP writing them, but I think he still has most of his fan base. his attitude is a major turn off lately though.

Different awards are based on different things, Rain’s song just came out.

I really want Rain to go back under JYP ent. I think he could of done so much better with JYP, After in a short amount of years he’s already one of the most wealthy artist in Korea right behind JYP and a few others, he could of been alot bigger if he stayed.

guess that’s what you get for putting
RAINISM
and
MAGIC STICK
in your lyrics..

Wow I thought Rain left long before WG even debut in JYPE or started training o.o;

I didn’t even realize they’ve met him before.
I hope he does come back to JYPE also ~ his new label is so awful, awful writers and songs. JYP is where it’s at.

And congrats to WG,, BEG looked super cute LOL! ^^

fan girl rants like this post make you see just how bias and retarded this blog is. lol

Note to everyone :: read the hurt fan girl rant and learn to not take their future bias post so serious =D lol

People change sometimes for the better sometimes for the worst. I really love the Rainism song because it makes me want to dance, but as a rain fan i do have to agree some of the songs on the new album i really don’t care for. But i love Rain for his acting, i saw is acting before i heard his singing.

I really do disagree that he should have stuck with JYP, branching off is the best thing he could have done. He has to learn the ups and downs of making music on his own. I don’t think he would have had the freedom he has now if he was still with JYP.

I don’t think sticking it out with JYPE automatically ensures Rain that he will get the No. 1 spot in the charts. Unless some kind of “payola” is involved, that is. (If you’re familiar with how things REALLY work in the music industry, you’ll understand what I mean.)

To be fair, Rainism (the album) is quite impressive for a newbie producer like Rain. Technically speaking, his albums (with the exception of the Japanese-produced Eternal Rain) never sounded as crisp and clear as this album does.

By the way, as you are a former fan, you basically have already lost your privilege to still be disappointed. Because you’re already disappointed as it is, regardless of what Rain dishes out.

your post made me really sad. by the time i even started paying attention to rain he was already a cocky superstar. but i know how you feel. i see stars that i used to love turn into different people recently and it just makes me sad. it makes me wonder what happened to the cute bubbly guy that we all fell for. when did he turn into this high and mighty jerk face who can’t even smile genuinely for his fans anymore? TT_TT

Meh footdoc-shoelover is just one of his many fans. He might’ve lost one but he sure gained another. Apart from the naughty lyrics I really like this song and it’s on constant playback on my mp3. And his performances of this song are amazing.

i still like the dude…people change, its life!
the kid has to move on, he couldn’t stay with JYPE
forever….kids have to leave their parents’ houses one day///he will get his #1 soon. Go go BI!

Rain just needs to concentrate 100% on music for a while, instead of venturing off trying to do hollywood movies, fashion, and such. I think he’s spreading himself a little thin with project after project and you can tell he’s not fully committing to something without moving on to another thing. Rain’s trying to do too much at the same time.

He’s definitely not the same Rain that I wanted to defend from haters’ comments. I know exactly what you’re saying. The only thing I guess we can do now is just support him. People change.

Rain is still a good artist. The Wonderhoes sorry WonderGirls crappy song has been played out along with them in the press.
Peace

I love Rain…..he still very talented…..

WG fans are crazy. they must have been voting like crazy.

Grats for WG for the win. Personally i dont give a dam to either of these artists, but gotta say, the pressure of hollywood aint easy, especially if even his own fans start to bash him like its the end of the world. Maybe if you “fans” would give him your full support, and not just bash him 24/7 about his engrish and except that MAYBE he CANT do any better. Hes like what? 25-28ish? its hard to learn a new language at that age for most people. Not to mention try to not have an accent? Psh. Dont like his Rainism? there must a song that you like on his album. I mean an album has 1x songs. Does a star always have to whip out the best song in the world everytime? Does it have to be a great song for fans to support them? Are fans only there when he succeeds? Where are the fans when hes down? Aren’t you suppose to be the ones that should support him through everything? (Or so you claim) Sure you dont have to LOVE everything he does, but dont bash him for trying. I HATE bashers/antis/haters. Its like yo do you have anything better to do then hate on a person? Dont like em? IGNORE THEM.

Heh. What you said is dead on. Rain should have stick with JYP. But you know he just did a come back its not like he wouldn’t be better the next time. Well hopefully. The guy does have talent lets just hope that its not wasted due to his stupidity.

http://coolsmurf.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/m-countdown-music-bank-music-core-and-inkigayo-in-a-nutshell/

yes,come back to JYPE
JYP Family need Rain and G.O.D in 2009

Rain is a classic case of someone who is drunk off of their own hype.

Yes, he should’ve stuck with JYP. He was better with JYP.

THANK YOU. THANK. YOU. Someone now finally made it public on why I started to hate Bi so much. When i first heard about him was when I first started to get into Kpop and he seemed like such a cool guy. Then I got to know his sexed up and self loving image in 2004 and that’s when my intense dislike of him began. I never honestly knew how someone liek that got so much fame for singing songs that were so pointless…. seriously, I wish he just stuck to acting at that point. But no, more music about how cool it was to be Rain came… and it just made it more annoying how his status in Kpop and around the world was so “amazing”.
but I gotta say, even from the beginning I never thought he he was a great dancer. I prefered Se7en.
So I guess I never “hated” him this whole time. I just hated what he was famous for and how he got there [with that type of music].

But well written editorial.

-sLaVe

Unfortunately I was a huge Rain fan. I haven’t given up on him yet (I repeat this to myself quite a bit) but I agree, he was way better off with JYP.
I feel bad for him. He was so huge back then and was seen as this ultimate Kpop sensation, and was famous in all parts of Asia, but all that has dwindled quite a bit.
Maybe it’s the stress that is taking its toll on him? Or the fact that those in charge of his image need serious help? I don’t know. But the old Rain was way better.

Anybody that has a catchy and easy to sing along song like “Nobody” will inevitably make it number one, regardless of whether u can sing or dance.

relax.. it is only 1 week after his comeback
seoulbeats…
where your interview with JYP?

“The main issue that comes out of the “little cute girl group that could” beating the supposed “Kpop powerhouse” that used to be Rain, is his ultimate predestined path to failure apart from JYP”

Predestined?? Its as if you’re trying to say that JYP is infallible! Yes, he may be a genius in producing infectious songs..but to deny Rain the right to explore, do some career-advancement, instead of restricting himself to sure-balls,is just too much for a fan to ask..

Yes, Rain grew up and moved on..This is where his “true” fans are tested..I know his weaknesses and I accept him for what he is..Its up to his “fans” if they feel the same way..After all, only those who love truly can learn to accept one’s flaws..so, yeah..I’m still with Rain no matter what..

Yes, I think he would have been better off with JYP, but I mean, who wouldn’t be? JYP is f*cking amazing in everything he does, despite his sketchy appearance. I was never really a huge 비 fan to begin with but, I think he is working at his hardest…And to be honest I really like this new song “Love Story” :3

JYP raped him a ton. I would have left too…………….

i was his fan since like his “i do” and “it’s raining” days, and i still LOVE him. i think he made some p[rpremature choices in regards to trying to be an “international” star, but i think he still has “it,” and i’m still a big fan.

He get more money and recognition by doing it himself, so I think it’s not a failure at all. Being under the large company gaurantees some convenience and more time to concentrate on singing and performing, because everyone do the other necesary and unneccesary work for you. But come on, WG can’t do anything without JYP. It’s up to the artist’s goal. If JYP produces only his albums, the results won’t be as good as his talents+WG’s charms. I agree that Rain sould be under JYP for longer time before flying away.

” What happened to the genuinely humble, exciting, and smaller-eyed entertainer that won our hearts over with every new song, dance move, and drama series?”
In the beginning I thought he was a special one. After the Time100 voting I have learned that the “humble” smiling image was only created by JYPe. The early Rain was a fake!!! The “new” Rain is the real Rain. The one he loves is only himself!

he must think he’s too good for JYP…

when i read this post i think it was written genuinely.

musically speaking, rain should’ve stayed with jyp. i hate his new album, except for the song, “love story.” ==;;

you cannot get a better producer than jyp in the kpop scene

hm.

i like this article. you have a point. and thank goodness you can write well. i didnt want to cringe after the last Op-Ed article.
^^

ive noticed that too. He has gotten more… up himself. he has gotten a hell of a lot more boring, and his status as a supposed star has washed out into a has-been. The guy can’t even speak english properly. although, the clouds are still there, well half at least, supporting his every move, and every ab.

gosh, he needs a slap in the face to wake up.

this doesnt mean i think the wondergirls deserved that win though. i love the girls, not the song. and honestly, the songs arent musically deserving.

that being said, again, this is a good article.

‘Rainism’ is very catchy. It’s good that singer sings songs from different lyricist and composer. that way we are not getting the same beat over and over again. (example Lin Xi- HK lyricist)
People must have forgotten that JYP paid peanuts for rain and locked him in a very unreasonable contract for 5 years. Whether Jtunes is a better alternative we’ll have to wait and see. With your constructive feedback, he will get back to the top in no time.

@ployy amen to the fanism gospel , preach it. If you’re a fan be a fan through the good and the bad.

Although he is on his own , he should have a mentor or accountability team to let him know , hey man this is good this is bad turn the love me me me me meter down a couple of notches, you know to lovingly offer intervention when he needs it. And he needs it now , I don’t get the way he’s dressing can someone explain it to me? And the fingernails are either buffed or lightly coated. I don’t have a problem with the buffing but the coating..urrrrhmmmm

He does need to remember that fans love obviously unconditional and like a contentious wife can become like a revolving door. I loved him from back in the day , but I want to see what he evolves into. Let’s wait and see. Also if he is free to be he may be letting off some steam and sexual agreesion or his testosterone level has went through the roof.

But let’s see if he lives up to his name. Rain can destroy, rain can sooth a thirsty desert , and rain can cause growth and beauty to emerge. Maybe he is in his destructive phase. Who knows..

i think a lot of people are missing the point of this post. even as a fan, you don’t have to like everything that rain does. and you also shouldn’t make excuses for your favorite artist(s) if they ARE sucking. artists don’t have to be perfect all the time, and i’m sure that’s the reason why a lot of fans like their musicians — imperfection. so it’s annoying that some fans feel the need to defend their “fan-ness” by justifying their idol’s mistakes or forcing themselves to like everything their idols produce even if they don’t really like it.

What’s this crap about “true fans”?? People move on. And get this straight, I like Rain and I agree with many of the people here. So, what - I’m a “true fan”? That is one ridiculous term. You’re either a fan or you’re not.

i dunt really care wat ent. company rain is in. and i dont think his songs suck, like rainism doesn’t really show off his vocals but it shows off his dance skills. and love story is a great song tat shows off his vocals which is really nice. it doesn’t matter wat he does, even if he acts or sings. ill still be a fan….not like a huge psycho fan. but ill be there to support him no matter wat.

leave him alone! if you have this much time commenting on how cocky he is, go work on your homework, you fan girls

im gonna be a bad boy~

it was about time that rain got out of JYP…no more of that…its time for him to be a man and step up his game to become one of the greatest…even if it does take him a while i know that he will get there…eventually….so all you HATERS….stop bashing on him..lets see you try to go on your own…exactly you cant

I CAN’T SAY THIS LOUD ENOUGH!!! Rain should not have stayed with JYP.(double period)Do you think JYP was dedicated to Rain’s growth?? NO! He is in the song writing business to make money. That’s his goal..that’s why he scouts out young, supposedly poor kids looking for fame and fortune and a better life. He invest a certain amount and gets back double for his investment. (It’s business to him, stupid)

You say he is a genius, well he used Rain to continue marketing himself. (I got tired of hearing JYP’s name on Rain’s songs), he is doing the same thing with WG. AND IF HE IS REALLY A GENIUS, he should have been able to blow his own music career up. He writes music, he did not manage Rain’s career, he did not design Rain’s stages, he did not exert himself on stage, he did not put in hours of practice nor did he deprive himself of sleep to put on a good performance. Rain was the one who developed those dances and everything that went into putting on outstanding shows.Rain’s manager left JYP with him.

when i read the translations of many of those songs JYP wrote for Rain, a lot of them sounded stupid and revealed that JYP wrote many of them focusing on Rain’s personal life pain. the melodies and Rain’s voice is what made those songs attractive to Asia and the US (where I am).

It’s nonsense to say he should have stayed somewhere that would not allow him to grow. stupid, stupid, stupid….(unless you are the type who is afraid to come out of the comfort zone)…i smell envy, and jealousy all over this site and i have lived long enough and worked in this field long enough to know these feelings when i see them. and for those of you who say you never liked him, that’s o.k. a lot of people probably don’t like you either.

really you should be ashamed of yourself for attacking a person who is willing to take chances in order to grow-up. first you complained about him being JYP’s shadow, now you complain that he should have stayed in JYP’s shadow. YOU SOUND CONFUSED YOURSELF. I just fear that when the time comes for you all to move on, you won’t know how or when you should. POOR THINGS!!!

you make no sense. i am a fan of rain and i saw is progression with each album getting better and better (forgetting that rain’s world album (yuck!)) and i love his old stuff but his rainism album is not only his best work but the best album to come out this year that i personally have listened to.
i love everything about rain and he is better without jyp because he is doing it HIS way and i have no complaints. i love his dance steps and his new backup dancers everything he is doing is AWESOME!

I like Rain. I think his image is sexy and his songs are great. I was very impressed with RAINISM. I don’t even speak Korean but I love that album.

We are looking at the JYPE situation from the outside. We don’t know what Rain had to go through. Maybe he felt this was a way out. Now he could finally take control of his career. Who knows. I think the best thing to do is try and support him. If you don’t want to support him, then just wish him luck and move on.

Gosh, so many views. I read somewhere where someone made a very sensible point. JYP ” made ” Rain, but if you think about it, without Rain, not many people will know JYP too. So, who made who?

Very sensible fans, myself included have said it before, Rain and his ego have gotten to big and he needs to get back down to earth.
Fame, undeniably changes people and I think, he is no exception.

Much of the success achieved by the Wondergirls are due to the doors Rain ” opened” for JYP. If JYP isn’t known as Rain’s creator, will the Wondergirls enjoy the level of success they have in Asia today?

That said, I cannot sure for sure if Rain will be where he is today without JYP. They were good for each other, no matter what critics say. JYP knew Rain’s strengths and wrote/produced songs suitable for his image. One very good example is, ” I’m Coming” where he wrote the powerful beats and told Rain, ” go create a masterpiece of choreography”. Rain did just that. JYP, a good dancer himself, conceded that he would never be able to come up with choreograhpy like that.

Like it or not, they were a perfect match. It’s too bad that collaboration is no more. JYP is capable of, and responsible for so many catchy melodies.

Rainism as an album also did not disappoint, as far as I’m concerned, for a rookie producer. Go Rain!

I’m really a new fan of Rain-as in months only. As I’ve said, Rain has a lot of talent and much, much more potential! “Fullhouse” introduced us to Rain and for such a latecomer on the scene, I should say that Rain really looks cute and handsome in “Sangdoo” and I do hope he goes back to this look. Ninja Assassin really made him look worst. But Rain is not changing for the worst but for the better. Just give him a little time…he’ll get his act together and you’ll see.